Episode 30: John Lauritsen
December 19th, 2010

If you were to ask about the major critics of the first AIDS drug AZT the guest from Episode 29, Dr. Peter Duesberg, would come to mind, but also this week’s guest John Lauritsen. Before criticizing AZT John was one of the leading members of the gay community warning about the omnipresent “gay” drugs known as Poppers or Amyl Nitrite inhalants. John is a thorough and dogged researcher and his articles for “New York Native” are legendary, especially those that were used in the book, “AZT: Poison by Prescription” (out of print but available online).

John also wrote “Death Rush: Poppers and AIDS” with fellow anti-poppers campaigner Hank Wilson and edited “The AIDS Cult” (still available) with Ian Young. More recently John published “In defence of AIDS critics” in the Gay and Lesbian Humanist journal and was a speaker at the RA 2009 conference in Oakland. John has a more comprehensive summary of his work online with links to many documents.

John talks with David Crowe and Terry Michael about AZT, Poppers, HIV testing, the existence of HIV, the causes of “AIDS”, and more.

Websites mentioned in the podcast include The AIDS Trap and the Immunity Resource Foundation (run by Joan Shenton).

“Episode 30: John Lauritsen” comments…
  1. L E says:

    So when are Rethinking AIDS, How Positive Are You, and the Authorities going to put us all out of our misery and admit that HIV1 and H1N1 are one and the same? Or is freedom of speech and freedom of information also just a myth? Has truth also died?

    January 7, 2011 | 11:02 pm
  2. David says:

    Well, first we need to decide whether HIV1 and H1N1 exist. If they don’t exist (my position) then the question of whether they are the same is moot.

    January 8, 2011 | 10:07 am
  3. Glenn (Amyl Nitrite Awareness League) says:

    Hmm. Very interesting. I have had a vaccination for Swine/Spanish Flu (H1N1) about a year ago. Are the pharmacuetical companies profitering yet again? This is all very confusing. How does one get vaccinated for something that doesn’t exist? “What a wicked web we weave”.

    January 12, 2011 | 11:21 pm
  4. Chris says:

    I hear that the mechanism by which HIV destroys the immune system is unknown but it seems that it’s understood.


    I’m willing to believe peter Duesberg but I need answers to these questions.

    January 13, 2011 | 2:57 am
  5. David says:

    It is generally agreed that HIV does not directly kill CD4 T Cells. It’s also known that HIV can be detected in only a vanishingly small fraction of them. No other mechanism for how HIV results in immune suppression is widely supported either by evidence or by a large number of experts. Yet, despite this, the HIV=AIDS world runs as if this fact had been established.

    January 13, 2011 | 12:54 pm
  6. Chris says:

    Thanks David. So the hijacking of the T cell coordinators to act as HIV replicators rather than immune coordinators has not been established?

    I bought Peter Duesberg’s book and am about 1/10 of the way through it so the info may be in there but the evidence for deceit and misguidedness on the part of the virus hunters so far seems compelling so I’m on the second day of not taking my HAART. It’s now or never to take the plunge that’s why I’m desperate for answers.

    I need to rule out or disprove the possibility of HIV causing AIDS or being a cofactor rather than a lack of direct proof of causation.

    I’d hate to realise that it was a globalist depopulation plot setup to get people to kill themselves by not taking medication voluntarily. By doing this we by association would destroy other valid conspiracy theories and the government would say “See?! you should believe us and not buy into any of these conspiracy theories”
    No offence, that may sound paranoid but propaganda is sophisticated nowadays and it is my life at stake so paranoia is natural 🙂

    January 13, 2011 | 1:51 pm
  7. David says:

    The CD4 cells are a real weakness of the theory. There are numerous scientific papers showing that HIV is detected in too small a percentage to do any damage given that they divide frequently. There is no model for how HIV kills them remotely or indirectly. And the graphs that are shown about AIDS progression and CD4 counts are fraudulent (or, more kindly, based on imagining and wishing, not hard data).

    As for conspiracy theories such as that HIV is a germ warfare weapon first they need to prove that it’s a killer. Otherwise it’s rather like saying that nerf guns are the product of a secret US military program.

    And I’m no fan of the US military (or any other for that matter). And I know they do things in secret. But they don’t get super-powers in secret when they can’t even democratize Afghanistan in public.

    January 13, 2011 | 5:25 pm
  8. Chris says:

    It’s tricky because us laymen have no other recourse than to view the summaries of experts. We don’t have the time or knowledge to trawl through complex, scientific biological data.
    Thus we have to put our lives in Peter’s hands and trust that he’s right.
    I’m wondering if Labs lie when they present results showing dropping CD4 counts in HIV patients, before they take HAART, because if patients don’t engage in drugs or anal sex and aren’t on HAART and the CD4 count is still dropping then it must be HIV. That would destroy Peter’s theory.

    Would you personally stop taking the meds David if you were HIV+? Are there any reports of people stopping all drugs and HAART and then still dying from AIDS?

    I’ve tried emailing Peter at his site but he doesn’t respond which doesn’t help my confidence in his theory.

    January 14, 2011 | 6:35 am
  9. Chris says:

    It would be really useful to organise a debate between Peter Duesberg and a top HIV causes AIDS scientist with instruction for them to keep it as easy to understand for the general public as possible.
    That way we can see exactly what proof the mainstream view has.

    Similarly there have been debates on 911 where it’s easy to see that it’s an inside job and pro-official fairy tale scientists resort to ad hominem, ad verecundium and obfuscation.

    Hopefully, scientists holding the mainstream HIV/AIDS view would be exposed in the same way in such a debate, that would definitely lend a lot of credence to Duesberg’s theory.

    What do you think?

    January 15, 2011 | 3:23 pm
  10. Glenn (Amyl Nitrite Awareness League) says:

    Chris, I feel causation and correlation have been confused and reversed. The cause is drugs (illicit and licit) and the correlation HIV1/H1N1/Swine/Spanish Flu. It is everywhere, and has been for a long time. Drugs are poisonous. Experts can get it wrong, big time, and often. The world used to be flat. Scrutiny and an enquiring mind are vital. A fact is only a fact until proven otherwise.

    For some reason, in the 1980s they blamed the wrong thing. The medication can kill, and still they will blame the wrong thing. It is not a conspiracy theory, it is one big great stuff-up. Trust your own body. Go off all drugs (including poppers/illicit drugs/treatments) and see what happens. Peter is right. David is right. I am right.

    Chris, yes I would personally stop taking the meds and drugs if I were HIV+. There are many reports of people stopping all drugs and HAART, and then still dying, but why blame Swine Flu? AIDS need to be redefined. To me the A in AIDS means Acquired from pharmaceutical companies.

    Ongoing discussion and skeptism are vital. I feel open and calm discussion is necessary, rather than debate and blame. Perhaps at the next RA conference? Overall, we have had an ongoing culture which is about to change. We will soon find the solution. You will too. We have had an apocalyptic fairy tale aggravated by dogma, fear, greed, ignorance, deceit and obfuscation. Lets hope the post-apocalyptic fairy tale is more kind. It certainly should be enlightening.


    January 16, 2011 | 9:53 pm
  11. L E says:

    25 million dead from a misguided misdiagnosis? And a whole lot of others sick? This couldn’t be true? YES it could. Makes you want to redefine the word “sick”. Sounds like yet another holocaust. Enough for the “shit to hit the fan”. A Gross Financial Cock-up (GFC).

    “Poof. A Bad Experiment”.

    January 17, 2011 | 12:50 am
  12. GrimReaper says:

    Drugs. More profitable than Zyklon B.

    January 17, 2011 | 4:10 am
  13. Glenn (Amyl Nitrite Awareness League) says:

    L E, you’re encourage-able.

    How about:
    “Away with the Faeries”?
    “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do”.

    January 17, 2011 | 4:23 am
  14. L E says:

    Check out:

    Nitrites. amyl nitrite, butyl nitrite
    (“poppers,” “video head cleaner”)
    Nitrites are a special class of inhalants. While other inhalants are used to alter mood, organic nitrites are used primarily as sexual enhancers. Organic nitrites include amyl, butyl, and cyclohexyl nitrites and other related compounds, and are commonly known as “poppers.” Amyl nitrite was used in the past to alleviate chest pain and is sometimes used today for diagnostic purposes in heart examinations. Most poppers contain isobutyl nitrite or butyl nitrite. These nitrites are often sold in small brown bottles and labeled as “video head cleaner,” “room odorizer,” “leather cleaner,” or “liquid aroma.” Responsible for sudden sniffing death syndrome, suppressed immunologic function, injury to red blood cells (interfering with oxygen supply to vital tissues) benzene (found in gasoline) bone marrow injury, impaired immunologic function, increased risk of leukemia, reproductive system toxicity.

    All this from something that’s NOT supposed to be inhaled.
    Talk about “Thrown off the scent”.

    January 17, 2011 | 5:07 am
  15. GrimReaper says:

    Oh stop all the fuss. Check out:

    Oh Sydney here I cum!

    “Where there is great power, there is great corruption”
    “The first victim in any war is the truth”.

    January 18, 2011 | 11:08 pm
  16. L E says:

    So, which is the truth?:
    http://archives.drugabuse.gov/inhalantsalert/ ?

    Not both! Surely NOT!!!

    Hands up if you like poisoining the trusting and vulnerable, and hiding your dispicable actions away from scrutiny in Swiss and Liechtenstein bank accounts?

    “These revelations are explosive” TV quote.
    Let’s hope its just fireworks.

    “Poppers: Very profitable for some. Very costly for others”.
    Amyl Nitrite Awareness League

    I feel my wiki leaking just at the thought of it.

    January 18, 2011 | 11:48 pm
  17. Glenn (Amyl Nitrite Awareness League) says:

    Change, yes we can! Barak Obama

    2008. Several key moments for me:
    1. The Global Financial Crisis
    2. The Mental Health & Addiction Bill (name proposed by Australian Prime Minister). http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/washington/06health.html
    3. AIG naturally collapses. International insurance and financial services organization, with operations in approximately 130 countries and jurisdictions. Credibility is shot. The organisation is bailed out using the same bill/legislation.
    4. The police wrote to me about poppers being innocuous and that police are adequately “serving and protecting”.
    And Swine Flew.

    January 19, 2011 | 2:55 am
  18. BJ2011 says:

    You’re kidding me! So, Swine Flew is Spanish Flu is HIV1 is H1NI? Quite ingenious. The current climate of suggesting copious condoms, lube, viagra and arrests – while ignoring toxic and addictive inhalant drugs – is offensive, insulting and demeaning to thinking and feeling human beings.

    2008. The Amyl Nitrite Awareness League was formed.

    If you can’t defend it, then you DO condone it.

    January 19, 2011 | 4:55 am
  19. GrimReaper says:

    Wow, how about a podcast on the Amyl Nitrite Awareness League, whoever the hell they are?
    My research now shows the link between Spanish Flu and Swine Flew/Flu – with TB and other diseases, mediating factors, drug abuse – being ignored and misdiagnosed on a wide scale, for some time. HIV1 aka H1N1 simply just profitable and ruining lives.

    So, a little less of http://www.rush-poppers.org/
    and a little more of http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5450125&page=1

    Did someone mention tax havens in Europe, dodgy banks and practices, and a subsequent list of “naughty boys with their toys”? http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2174686.htm

    About the same time as that dodgy police alert. Will wikileaks be own only saviour? What’s on those disks?

    “Naughty boys, throw away your toys”.

    January 19, 2011 | 5:33 am
  20. David says:

    Thanks GrimReaper for reminding us that Poppers are still a problem in the gay community and the information provided virtually erases all health problems with these inhalants. “Don’t drink them”…I’m glad they told me.

    January 19, 2011 | 8:01 am
  21. @nnie says:

    Yet another AWESOME interview ~ but WOW! what an amazing and articulate gentleman John is. It was a real pleasure listening and even hanging onto, his every word.
    THANK YOU you all 3 of you + Christine too, whom I just know would’ve sitting right by your side David!
    Naturally, the PharMafia, use VERY different marketing ‘ploys’ here in South Africa ~ Whites, Indians & Mixed Race folk are safe, even gay males of those racial categories, but the majority of disadvantaged Black folk are doomed, especially pregnant women! Tragic, given that pregnancy alone is a KNOWN likelihood for a false-positive HIV antibody test ~ but of course, they KNOW that only too well!
    ~Durban~ KwaZulu Natal ~ South Africa ~

    February 19, 2011 | 12:23 pm
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